taoism is older than lao tzu

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taoism is older than lao tzu

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almost half of the world thought taoism comes from lao tzu. tao te ching is the only source of taoism. but this is wrong. actually taoism is o-l-d-e-r than lao tzu because i have read a chinese treaty called the golden lotus which is an erotic text of china edited by bret norton where we can see that taoist masters advice yeallow emperor on taoism. now this yeallow emperor is thought to came to power 2697 BC whereas lao tzu was born in 604 BC. if we consider the year of resuming power by yeallow emperor is true, then he must be born before 2697 BC. when taoist masters advice yeallow emperor on taoism, this taoism must then logically be older than yeallow emperor.

from these facts the conclusin that comes out is that taoism is much much much older than lao tzu.

you cannot understand tao te ching clearly. but you can EASLY understand the taoist advice given to yeallow emperor. the advices are very clear, specific and unambiguious.

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Nobody says that Taoism arose with Lao-tzu. But Lao-tzu (who doesn't have to be a person but a society of learned people) was the author of the Tao te Ching which is a systematised book on the Tao and its Te. It also teaches about the Way as a spiritual attainment which is the very core of the Taoist practice tradition. Without this book one can't do with the network of ideas and concepts related to the Tao. You need a handbook on doing something if you don't want to lose the way. This is what actually Tao Te Ching is made for.

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the point is there are many books on taoism apart from tao te ching. just go to internet sacred text archive, click on taoism and you will find a vast resources on taoism on a particular link. now if moderator permit me, i could post the link access to those taoist texts.

besides taoism is everywhere in china: in medical science, in engineering, in everything.

besides what makes you think that lao tzu is a society and not an individual? in picture he is shown as a individual.

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arnab_banerjee wrote:the point is there are many books on taoism apart from tao te ching. just go to internet sacred text archive, click on taoism and you will find a vast resources on taoism on a particular link. now if moderator permit me, i could post the link access to those taoist texts.

besides taoism is everywhere in china: in medical science, in engineering, in everything.

besides what makes you think that lao tzu is a society and not an individual? in picture he is shown as a individual.
1. Yes there are many such as Chuang-tzu or Lieh-tzu... But only one speaks about the Tao and its Te. That is, the Tao te Ching!
2. You may put a link to that site only if it's a reciprocal link (as it should).
3. I am not the one who maintain that Lao-tzu is a society but the specialists (Sinologists).

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Thats the cool thing about Taoism, the knowledge is timeless :) It feels so old and yet like its been around forever :)

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laotan wrote: 3. I am not the one who maintain that Lao-tzu is a society but the specialists (Sinologists).
forget about sinologists, what do you think? see there is a picture of lao tzu on the back of an ox. where from this picture comes? this shows lao tzu as an individual. besides remember the story about how tao te ching is written. a guard forced lao tzu to write . if lao tzu is not an individual but a society, how this is possible?

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arnab_banerjee wrote:
laotan wrote: 3. I am not the one who maintain that Lao-tzu is a society but the specialists (Sinologists).
forget about sinologists, what do you think? see there is a picture of lao tzu on the back of an ox. where from this picture comes? this shows lao tzu as an individual. besides remember the story about how tao te ching is written. a guard forced lao tzu to write . if lao tzu is not an individual but a society, how this is possible?
Well, that depends on when in time the picture was made. If the artist was inspired by the story of life of Lao-tzu this explain the whole thing. Also the account related to the writiing of Tao te Ching comes from the Historical Records os Ssu-ma Ch'ien. He wrote the book about 100 BC. That is, several hundred years after Lao-tzu would have lived. Also the part in his book approaching Lao-tzu's life is written by following the tradition and not direct historical documents. It is more like a tale or some mythological account based only on wish and imagination.

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